Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
At each moment man has limited freedom to follow either the path of good or the path of pleasant. Certainly, man has not got a complete and unlimited freedom over the external circumstances but he has been given this limited freedom to be good or to be vicious in his moment to moment contact with the external world. This limited liberty is the real character of freedom for the man, by a wise use of which he can soar into the greater realms of perfection and become himself the God.
GP: Krishna, I also think that is how it is or is being indicated.
That the goal of all these paths is the same - awareness and then abidance in our true nature, our true Self.
This declaration also should give us all of us hope and inspiration. Because it says that whichever path we choose, depending on our personality and inclinations, we do not have to wonder if we're on the right path. We do not have to fret and wonder which path is better or superior or inferior.
What is important is to remember that whichever path we choose, the final destination is this state of abidance.
Now the question is : who has ascertained this? (it is said here that 'it has been ascertained')
Su: Agreed.... but this declaration can also give rise to licentiousness. I guess having the right knowledge of the path and some structure to it is important. Too much flexibility is also dangerous.
All paths lead to the same goal, but how will I know it's right for me. Is there a thing like some paths are more conducive for certain personalities and detrimental for some. Is there some guidelines or is it that one starts walking along the path as per ones inclination and along the way experience teaches..... if the Guru is there to guide then will he stop some student from pursuing a path that is not conducive...
KG: On who has ascertained - was assuming realized Masters using reasoning methodologies (Nyaya - logic)?
I too share Sunita's questions on which is the psychology test to be taken to ascertain THE PATH for this life. If there is no standard test, we have to rely on others advice or experiment each one.
I feel, each of paths followed require a very purist attitude labelling him a Bhakta or Karmi or Gyani etc. But can that be possible for initiates like us. Do we perfectly fall in a category. Don't we luv a bit of all paths.
SS: This verse is in the middle because it throws light on 2 yogas covered and 2 yet to be covered and tells us that all are for the same purpose. It is called dehli-deepa-nyaaya in sanskrit. A lamp kept at the threshold of a room will illumine outside and inside both.
Each one has to know by themselves whether they are predominantly action oriented or emotion oriented or knowledge oriented and choose the path accordingly. We all need a mix of all 3 because all have BMI but one path chosen consciously helps to evolve faster.
Another aspect is whichever path is chosen, the other two are already there in it. Think over it. So you buy 1 and get 2 free. 😄
JV: Yes totally agree. It is buy 1 get 2 free. Interesting. Krishna would totally appreciate this. What say?
KG: 😄
Indirectly, ghooma ghoomake sab kuch karvarahe hai 😕
Swamiji, are these the Only fundamental paths (4 in all) ?
SS: Yes in vedanta there are only these 4 paths
NP: I think one gravitates to the path according to ones vasanas. We will choose only that path. Gurudev too has not restricted the activities of the mission to any one path. So it is more like one huge umbrella where each one can take shelter.
Also I feel sometimes we do deviate from our chosen path according to time and circumstances, and our mental state.
As long as one is walking the path and moving forward there will be growth.
Sorry I've been typing in bits and pieces.
At each moment man has limited freedom to follow either the path of good or the path of pleasant. Certainly, man has not got a complete and unlimited freedom over the external circumstances but he has been given this limited freedom to be good or to be vicious in his moment to moment contact with the external world. This limited liberty is the real character of freedom for the man, by a wise use of which he can soar into the greater realms of perfection and become himself the God.
GP: Krishna, I also think that is how it is or is being indicated.
That the goal of all these paths is the same - awareness and then abidance in our true nature, our true Self.
This declaration also should give us all of us hope and inspiration. Because it says that whichever path we choose, depending on our personality and inclinations, we do not have to wonder if we're on the right path. We do not have to fret and wonder which path is better or superior or inferior.
What is important is to remember that whichever path we choose, the final destination is this state of abidance.
Now the question is : who has ascertained this? (it is said here that 'it has been ascertained')
Su: Agreed.... but this declaration can also give rise to licentiousness. I guess having the right knowledge of the path and some structure to it is important. Too much flexibility is also dangerous.
All paths lead to the same goal, but how will I know it's right for me. Is there a thing like some paths are more conducive for certain personalities and detrimental for some. Is there some guidelines or is it that one starts walking along the path as per ones inclination and along the way experience teaches..... if the Guru is there to guide then will he stop some student from pursuing a path that is not conducive...
KG: On who has ascertained - was assuming realized Masters using reasoning methodologies (Nyaya - logic)?
I too share Sunita's questions on which is the psychology test to be taken to ascertain THE PATH for this life. If there is no standard test, we have to rely on others advice or experiment each one.
I feel, each of paths followed require a very purist attitude labelling him a Bhakta or Karmi or Gyani etc. But can that be possible for initiates like us. Do we perfectly fall in a category. Don't we luv a bit of all paths.
SS: This verse is in the middle because it throws light on 2 yogas covered and 2 yet to be covered and tells us that all are for the same purpose. It is called dehli-deepa-nyaaya in sanskrit. A lamp kept at the threshold of a room will illumine outside and inside both.
Each one has to know by themselves whether they are predominantly action oriented or emotion oriented or knowledge oriented and choose the path accordingly. We all need a mix of all 3 because all have BMI but one path chosen consciously helps to evolve faster.
Another aspect is whichever path is chosen, the other two are already there in it. Think over it. So you buy 1 and get 2 free. 😄
JV: Yes totally agree. It is buy 1 get 2 free. Interesting. Krishna would totally appreciate this. What say?
KG: 😄
Indirectly, ghooma ghoomake sab kuch karvarahe hai 😕
Swamiji, are these the Only fundamental paths (4 in all) ?
SS: Yes in vedanta there are only these 4 paths
NP: I think one gravitates to the path according to ones vasanas. We will choose only that path. Gurudev too has not restricted the activities of the mission to any one path. So it is more like one huge umbrella where each one can take shelter.
Also I feel sometimes we do deviate from our chosen path according to time and circumstances, and our mental state.
As long as one is walking the path and moving forward there will be growth.
Sorry I've been typing in bits and pieces.
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