Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
If, after all our efforts the Vasanas are not totally exhausted, then the balance that remains to trouble us is called "destiny".
Man can change his destiny not by wishing for it.. but by working for it.
SS: Verse 8 is speaking about bhakti because pooja and japa were described earlier and next stage is contemplation. What is contemplation in the context of bhakti?
VS: Hari Om Swamiji and everyone! Coming to verse 8, I need to think about Lord Krishna as not the name and the form but Him as the omnipresent and the cause of everything in the world by the rule of negation.
Any comments...
AD: Contemplation with regards to bhakti Nirguna with form is one type of contemplating and saguna the formless which is ultimately we. Have to reach
VS: Yes I remember reading Saguna is interrupted and Nirguna is uninterrupted Contemplation
So does that mean focused imagination of the Lord's form is Contemplation? Does imagination of His Glories also fall under Contemplation?
KG: I think in Bhakti - Reflection is about knowing and being convinced of the Glories of the form of Lord chosen. Contemplation may be more subtle.
SS: Thinking of the Lord as different from oneself and hence contemplation on His name, form, attributes, abode, leelas etc is contemplation with difference. Contemplating on oneness with Him through Soham or feeling oneness with HIM through surrender is contemplation without difference. In both these, interruptions happen as per our purity of mind and devotion.
Contemplation on oneness with the Lord is indeed subtler than on His name, form etc
KG: Arunaji, I think
Nirguna = Attributeless/Formless. Hope u meant the same.
VS: Yes
Swamiji... When it is Soham... Does it mean it's not Bhakti anymore.
SS: No. Love is complete only in union with the beloved. Soham is the feeling of oneness with the Lord. Ramakrishna was worshipping mother kali and offering flowers to her and when his surrender was complete he realises oneness with her and started offering flowers on his own head
VS: So is it possible that mahatmas in dvaita also experience this oneness but don't intellectually accept it as Soham?
SS: I have no idea about it.
VS: Ok
From the above example of Sri Ramakrishna, Should one consciously contemplate on Soham... Or does one reach that feeling automatically.
SS: In bhakti marga it Will happen automatically when surrender happens completely.
VS: Thanks Swamiji
If, after all our efforts the Vasanas are not totally exhausted, then the balance that remains to trouble us is called "destiny".
Man can change his destiny not by wishing for it.. but by working for it.
SS: Verse 8 is speaking about bhakti because pooja and japa were described earlier and next stage is contemplation. What is contemplation in the context of bhakti?
VS: Hari Om Swamiji and everyone! Coming to verse 8, I need to think about Lord Krishna as not the name and the form but Him as the omnipresent and the cause of everything in the world by the rule of negation.
Any comments...
AD: Contemplation with regards to bhakti Nirguna with form is one type of contemplating and saguna the formless which is ultimately we. Have to reach
VS: Yes I remember reading Saguna is interrupted and Nirguna is uninterrupted Contemplation
So does that mean focused imagination of the Lord's form is Contemplation? Does imagination of His Glories also fall under Contemplation?
KG: I think in Bhakti - Reflection is about knowing and being convinced of the Glories of the form of Lord chosen. Contemplation may be more subtle.
SS: Thinking of the Lord as different from oneself and hence contemplation on His name, form, attributes, abode, leelas etc is contemplation with difference. Contemplating on oneness with Him through Soham or feeling oneness with HIM through surrender is contemplation without difference. In both these, interruptions happen as per our purity of mind and devotion.
Contemplation on oneness with the Lord is indeed subtler than on His name, form etc
KG: Arunaji, I think
Nirguna = Attributeless/Formless. Hope u meant the same.
VS: Yes
Swamiji... When it is Soham... Does it mean it's not Bhakti anymore.
SS: No. Love is complete only in union with the beloved. Soham is the feeling of oneness with the Lord. Ramakrishna was worshipping mother kali and offering flowers to her and when his surrender was complete he realises oneness with her and started offering flowers on his own head
VS: So is it possible that mahatmas in dvaita also experience this oneness but don't intellectually accept it as Soham?
SS: I have no idea about it.
VS: Ok
From the above example of Sri Ramakrishna, Should one consciously contemplate on Soham... Or does one reach that feeling automatically.
SS: In bhakti marga it Will happen automatically when surrender happens completely.
VS: Thanks Swamiji
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