SS: Verse 7: like the smooth flow of ghee and a river at its source, single pointed contemplation is better than interrupted contemplation.
Aajya-dhaaraya srotasaa samam.
Sarala-chintanam viralatah param.
What is the significance of the two analogies used by Ramana Maharshi?
Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
"Plan out your work" and then never neglect to "work out your plan". The former without the latter is sheer waste; and the later without the former is mere unproductive confusion. Where these two are followed sincerely, success will shine out, in spite of all piled up difficulties enroute.
Su: Ghee has a smooth uninterrupted flow, without any break in between. That is how contemplation should be. Our mind should be continuously flowing towards the object of our contemplation without getting distracted by other thoughts and desires in between.
That is tough and needs years of preparation according to me.
About the river, am a little confused. River breaks in between when there are obstacles, meaning it's not as smooth as ghee. It does not break away but it's not as smooth. But a river no matter what the obstacles are continually flows and reaches the destination - the ocean.
Ok, here it says at its source. So there are no obstacles at the source of the river, soo....
NP: Is it about one gets to the stage of ghee. You have to ferment milk to curd, then churn it to get butter then heat the butter to get ghee!
So like that we have to ferment our mind with the right knowledge and thinking, then churn it with mananam and heat it with tapa to get smooth flow of contemplation
Su: I guess that's the preparation needed to reach the ghee state.
NP: River at its source is clean and pure. So probably when our mind is already very pure it is easier to contemplate
Like Ramana Maharishi
SR: Nicely said Neelima!
SS: Well said sunitha and neelima. Ghee is symbolic of continuous flow and single pointed contemplation. River is pure at the source. Purity and single pointedness both are necessary for contemplation.
How do we know if our mind is pure or not?
NB: I think that when one sits for contempletion, if the mind has not gone through its stages of growth then the mind wanders to thoughts. That's interrupted contemplation. But when the mind is trained through japa, knowledge then the mind contemplates well.
Without practice we might get uniterrupted contemplation at the start compared to the ghee or flow of river but this is not good in the long run. It's like directly jumping to 10th standard as it might be detrimental to our progres further.
Flow of river, ghee because it runs without effort
It makes great sense everyone...thank you
NP: M&s
We will know when our mind is calm, all the time devoid of agitations. This will happen only when we don't have the feeling of other. Meaning when we see the world as HIS manifestation. All our problems arise because of the difference we feel.
SS: For that vision of oneness purity is required. So it seems to be vicious circle then.
NB: Yes Swamiji.. and to me seems like somethin which is not that easy to acheive
NP: So when we don't have that vision of oneness, we know that our mind is not pure. We will have to work on it.
Swamiji, if I surrender completely to The Lord, do my japa, and study regularly, will this oneness happen as a byproduct?
SS: Oneness cannot happen as a byproduct of sadhana. Sadhana can purify the mind and a pure mind sees that oneness was always there and That alone is.
NP: Thank you Swamiji. 😀
RP: Pure mind characteristics - more peaceful , less attachment and more vairagya, less likes & dislikes, less of kaam krodha moha etc. more alert, more concentrated etc can be said.
Simple yardstick can be calm and alert mind.
SS: 👍
VS: Nice analogy of Ghee and source of river. Nice explanation of Ghee by Neelima. Purest form of mind. Easily burnt and disappears. Maybe that's the reason why it is used as a saamagri. Our mind also should be burnt and reach such a state that it merges with The Lord.
This is one way to train the mind
Another way is to reach the source of the mind where it is Purest like the source of the river
What is a calm mind... Thoughtless mind.
I feel pure and calm mind are same
DB: Vision of oneness comes when there is no fear; fear comes because of a sense of individuality & this sense of individuality expresses itself as likesm/dislikes, love/hate, I, mine, yours- absence of these pairs of opposites is a pure mind
Aajya-dhaaraya srotasaa samam.
Sarala-chintanam viralatah param.
What is the significance of the two analogies used by Ramana Maharshi?
Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
"Plan out your work" and then never neglect to "work out your plan". The former without the latter is sheer waste; and the later without the former is mere unproductive confusion. Where these two are followed sincerely, success will shine out, in spite of all piled up difficulties enroute.
Su: Ghee has a smooth uninterrupted flow, without any break in between. That is how contemplation should be. Our mind should be continuously flowing towards the object of our contemplation without getting distracted by other thoughts and desires in between.
That is tough and needs years of preparation according to me.
About the river, am a little confused. River breaks in between when there are obstacles, meaning it's not as smooth as ghee. It does not break away but it's not as smooth. But a river no matter what the obstacles are continually flows and reaches the destination - the ocean.
Ok, here it says at its source. So there are no obstacles at the source of the river, soo....
NP: Is it about one gets to the stage of ghee. You have to ferment milk to curd, then churn it to get butter then heat the butter to get ghee!
So like that we have to ferment our mind with the right knowledge and thinking, then churn it with mananam and heat it with tapa to get smooth flow of contemplation
Su: I guess that's the preparation needed to reach the ghee state.
NP: River at its source is clean and pure. So probably when our mind is already very pure it is easier to contemplate
Like Ramana Maharishi
SR: Nicely said Neelima!
SS: Well said sunitha and neelima. Ghee is symbolic of continuous flow and single pointed contemplation. River is pure at the source. Purity and single pointedness both are necessary for contemplation.
How do we know if our mind is pure or not?
NB: I think that when one sits for contempletion, if the mind has not gone through its stages of growth then the mind wanders to thoughts. That's interrupted contemplation. But when the mind is trained through japa, knowledge then the mind contemplates well.
Without practice we might get uniterrupted contemplation at the start compared to the ghee or flow of river but this is not good in the long run. It's like directly jumping to 10th standard as it might be detrimental to our progres further.
Flow of river, ghee because it runs without effort
It makes great sense everyone...thank you
NP: M&s
We will know when our mind is calm, all the time devoid of agitations. This will happen only when we don't have the feeling of other. Meaning when we see the world as HIS manifestation. All our problems arise because of the difference we feel.
SS: For that vision of oneness purity is required. So it seems to be vicious circle then.
NB: Yes Swamiji.. and to me seems like somethin which is not that easy to acheive
NP: So when we don't have that vision of oneness, we know that our mind is not pure. We will have to work on it.
Swamiji, if I surrender completely to The Lord, do my japa, and study regularly, will this oneness happen as a byproduct?
SS: Oneness cannot happen as a byproduct of sadhana. Sadhana can purify the mind and a pure mind sees that oneness was always there and That alone is.
NP: Thank you Swamiji. 😀
RP: Pure mind characteristics - more peaceful , less attachment and more vairagya, less likes & dislikes, less of kaam krodha moha etc. more alert, more concentrated etc can be said.
Simple yardstick can be calm and alert mind.
SS: 👍
VS: Nice analogy of Ghee and source of river. Nice explanation of Ghee by Neelima. Purest form of mind. Easily burnt and disappears. Maybe that's the reason why it is used as a saamagri. Our mind also should be burnt and reach such a state that it merges with The Lord.
This is one way to train the mind
Another way is to reach the source of the mind where it is Purest like the source of the river
What is a calm mind... Thoughtless mind.
I feel pure and calm mind are same
DB: Vision of oneness comes when there is no fear; fear comes because of a sense of individuality & this sense of individuality expresses itself as likesm/dislikes, love/hate, I, mine, yours- absence of these pairs of opposites is a pure mind
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