SS: Verse 9: by the strength of the though(soham) firm abidance in the Existence principle is gained which is free from all thought modifications. This is supreme devotion.
Bhaava-shunya-sat-bhaava-susthitih.
Bhaavanaa-balaat bhaktiruttamaa.
Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
The body is what it is because of its Prarabdha. Because of your Vasanas you have taken this body. Today the body moves, every minute, expressing its powerful Vasanas. The body will drop off once the Vasanas are exhausted. Till then it will continue to exist, food or no food. It will be looked after by its own Prarabdha.
If my body is not getting food, I become anxious for it. However, when this body was born, it was born without consulting me. The mighty Law by which it was born will keep it going for the purpose for which it was born, if it falls off, never mind, let it go.
Understanding this well, strengthen your mind and protect it from all such agitations.
MN: How can body have its Prarabdha?
Our actions determines our Prarabdha...Am I correct?
NB: I guess it means actions done by the body
JV: Nope body is inert and in capable of acting on its own.
MN: Yes so what does that statement means
NB: Mmm actions done by the jiva who is the BMI? ??
SS: Pl read the quote again. Gurudev has explained it in the quote itself clearly
MN: 🙏
SS: To exhaust certain vasanas which are due to past karma, we take bodies. Till those vas anas n karmas are there body will be there. Then it drops off. The vasanas n karmas which are ready to give results are called prarabdha. To exhaust it, a body is required. Hence Gurudev used the expression prarabdha of the body. Karmas are done by jeeva and phala also experienced by jeeva. Body is required for this.
NB: When we contemplate on ' i am consciousness' continuously then the I drops and ' am consciousnes ' remains which is the existance principal and leads to non-duality. This is purest form of bhakti.
Am not very sure if my interpretation is right.so i didn't say Swamiji
KG: This is like the example you gave Swamiji of someone calling a boy named "Krishna".
Karma yoga that we discussed earlier resulted only in Chitta Shuddhi (purity of mind), but Bhakti yoga has culminated in the merger of the self in HIM.
MN: Swamiji I had a basic question does Prarabhdha and destiny mean the same or are they different...when we say ' It's my Prarabhdha' it means destiny..right?
Su: Sorry Swamiji I was caught up in few urgent things hence could not participate. Will be able do to so from now on. Apologise
VS: Swamiji... Regarding verse 9 does thought modification means various thoughts about The Lord his name, beauty, glories etc. So there are still various thoughts in the mind. Again in Nirguna contemplation there are thoughts logically analyzing or appreciating. That's the reason they are called interrupted contemplation. While in Soham there only one thought, no more analysis(bhava shunya) so lesser interruption. At this point there is total complete surrender, no more analysis to be done. This total and complete trust, faith or surrender is greatest Bhakti.
Because now the merger has happened.
Any comments...
SS: I will reply to everyone in the evening
VS: Swamiji evening...
Good evening
SS: Nityamukta: from bhakti with duality where one worships the Lord and feels one is different, one moves to the feeling of oneness and attempts union with the Lord through soham and ultimately comes to realise the state of oneness which is beyond all thoughts. This is the highest form of bhakti called paraa-bhakti.
Krishna: karma yoga also led to supreme realisation when it was said whole world is seen as HIS manifestation. Bhakti yoga also leads to the Supreme as described above
Mitesh: prarabdha is destiny - past karma.
Vinod, read the explanation given to nityamukta. Thats the meaning of verse 9
VS: Thank you Swamiji! Ok Swamiji and I'll confirm my understanding.
GP: Swamiji, without this clarity the verse can be confusing.
Because our normal understanding of devotion is that it is possible only in duality. But here, the devotion that is being referred to has no altar, no devotee and no act of devotion.
SS: Yes. This is the state of oneness where the Lord, devotee and devotion disappear. It is called sadhya-bhakti. The devotion with an altar is called aparaa bhakti or sadhana-bhakti.
One of the etymological meanings of bhakti is - bhanj aamardane, which means to break and destroy. Devotion destroys attachment on one hand and duality on the other. Hence in hindi we always say bhakt wo jo kabhi vibhakt na ho. Devotee is one who is never separate from the Lord
SR: Swamiji, when non duality disappears, then what happens to rituals and pooja, i guess there is no need anymore bcos one doesnot see the Lord as separate entity.
SS: There is no need but masters may do it to set example for others to do. Like Gurudev used to do japa and also establish temples etc
GP: That's the beauty of their large-heartedness
They have gone beyond all this and yet they will do this for us
VS: Yes
NB: Thank you Swamiji for.clarifying😊🙏
Bhaava-shunya-sat-bhaava-susthitih.
Bhaavanaa-balaat bhaktiruttamaa.
Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
The body is what it is because of its Prarabdha. Because of your Vasanas you have taken this body. Today the body moves, every minute, expressing its powerful Vasanas. The body will drop off once the Vasanas are exhausted. Till then it will continue to exist, food or no food. It will be looked after by its own Prarabdha.
If my body is not getting food, I become anxious for it. However, when this body was born, it was born without consulting me. The mighty Law by which it was born will keep it going for the purpose for which it was born, if it falls off, never mind, let it go.
Understanding this well, strengthen your mind and protect it from all such agitations.
MN: How can body have its Prarabdha?
Our actions determines our Prarabdha...Am I correct?
NB: I guess it means actions done by the body
JV: Nope body is inert and in capable of acting on its own.
MN: Yes so what does that statement means
NB: Mmm actions done by the jiva who is the BMI? ??
SS: Pl read the quote again. Gurudev has explained it in the quote itself clearly
MN: 🙏
SS: To exhaust certain vasanas which are due to past karma, we take bodies. Till those vas anas n karmas are there body will be there. Then it drops off. The vasanas n karmas which are ready to give results are called prarabdha. To exhaust it, a body is required. Hence Gurudev used the expression prarabdha of the body. Karmas are done by jeeva and phala also experienced by jeeva. Body is required for this.
NB: When we contemplate on ' i am consciousness' continuously then the I drops and ' am consciousnes ' remains which is the existance principal and leads to non-duality. This is purest form of bhakti.
Am not very sure if my interpretation is right.so i didn't say Swamiji
KG: This is like the example you gave Swamiji of someone calling a boy named "Krishna".
Karma yoga that we discussed earlier resulted only in Chitta Shuddhi (purity of mind), but Bhakti yoga has culminated in the merger of the self in HIM.
MN: Swamiji I had a basic question does Prarabhdha and destiny mean the same or are they different...when we say ' It's my Prarabhdha' it means destiny..right?
Su: Sorry Swamiji I was caught up in few urgent things hence could not participate. Will be able do to so from now on. Apologise
VS: Swamiji... Regarding verse 9 does thought modification means various thoughts about The Lord his name, beauty, glories etc. So there are still various thoughts in the mind. Again in Nirguna contemplation there are thoughts logically analyzing or appreciating. That's the reason they are called interrupted contemplation. While in Soham there only one thought, no more analysis(bhava shunya) so lesser interruption. At this point there is total complete surrender, no more analysis to be done. This total and complete trust, faith or surrender is greatest Bhakti.
Because now the merger has happened.
Any comments...
SS: I will reply to everyone in the evening
VS: Swamiji evening...
Good evening
SS: Nityamukta: from bhakti with duality where one worships the Lord and feels one is different, one moves to the feeling of oneness and attempts union with the Lord through soham and ultimately comes to realise the state of oneness which is beyond all thoughts. This is the highest form of bhakti called paraa-bhakti.
Krishna: karma yoga also led to supreme realisation when it was said whole world is seen as HIS manifestation. Bhakti yoga also leads to the Supreme as described above
Mitesh: prarabdha is destiny - past karma.
Vinod, read the explanation given to nityamukta. Thats the meaning of verse 9
VS: Thank you Swamiji! Ok Swamiji and I'll confirm my understanding.
GP: Swamiji, without this clarity the verse can be confusing.
Because our normal understanding of devotion is that it is possible only in duality. But here, the devotion that is being referred to has no altar, no devotee and no act of devotion.
SS: Yes. This is the state of oneness where the Lord, devotee and devotion disappear. It is called sadhya-bhakti. The devotion with an altar is called aparaa bhakti or sadhana-bhakti.
One of the etymological meanings of bhakti is - bhanj aamardane, which means to break and destroy. Devotion destroys attachment on one hand and duality on the other. Hence in hindi we always say bhakt wo jo kabhi vibhakt na ho. Devotee is one who is never separate from the Lord
SR: Swamiji, when non duality disappears, then what happens to rituals and pooja, i guess there is no need anymore bcos one doesnot see the Lord as separate entity.
SS: There is no need but masters may do it to set example for others to do. Like Gurudev used to do japa and also establish temples etc
GP: That's the beauty of their large-heartedness
They have gone beyond all this and yet they will do this for us
VS: Yes
NB: Thank you Swamiji for.clarifying😊🙏
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