VS: Swamiji I was starving for this class. Thanks. Regarding the topic of discussion, in addition to what Akka n Mitesh said...
When challenges go beyond control the prasada buddhi goes for a toss.
Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
At this moment we all, as members of society, are fully engaged in the standard way of doing things, the standard methods everywhere adopted by others according to the fashion of the times - this is termed here as loka-anu-vartanam. Since we live as we are living, we are what we are. If you want to lift your life into a greater ambit, you have to change your ways of living. If you want to gain hold on the spiritual path...... Change.
Without changing the old values of life and ways of life, a new dimension of life and living cannot be achieved.
You have to give up imitating the false values of others around you, meaning, stop living blindly a stamped blue-print of life, supplied by the fashions of the times or by sensuous men who seek their fulfillment in sense-indulgences. Just living the routine life of unintelligent imitation of others in society is the surest way to a life of sensuality.
For spiritual purpose, a most intelligently re-planned way of life is to be followed. If you want to take up sincere sadhana, you have to redirect your life's flow.
Hence the first thing to be renounced is the 'blind following of the patterns of the time'- loka-anu-vartanam
VK: Hi is there any where I can catch up on all the discussions since start my what's app had crashed and hence was unable to participate
MN: Hari Om Vivek bhaiyya! You can catch all the earlier discussion here
For those who have just joined, you can visit the following blog to catch up e-satsang.blogspot.com
vedercise.blogspot.com
SR: Swamiji, what about an atheist who does not believe in Lord, thus will not view the world as HIS manifestation, yet want to do selfless actions, wants to inculcate a perfect attitude...is worshipping Lord only option to bring in such an attitude. - Sanjit
MN: I think even an atheist can do selfless service by dedicating all his actions to something higher- for example Nation or organisation
Our jawans who man our borders are the best examples of selflessness- putting nation above all Else🙏
SS: What is the goal of life as per atheist's thinking? That will determine what means should the atheist follow. Nothing prevents the atheist from serving selflessly. The verse is meant for those who want to dissolve the ego and realise oneness with the Divine which is infinite. Except the Infinite Lord whomever or whatever i serve, there will be limitations and duality.
An atheist is actually not a non-believer of God or Truth but a non-believer of prevalent concepts and depictions of God which dont appeal to his/her mind.
AM: Hari om,
Please register for Mumbais first CHYK and Sethukaari camp with Swamiji.
Everyone in this group is invited.
You can get your kids tok as we have a special sessions for them as well. 😊
MN: Why is then that the conventional definition of atheist defines it simply as non-believer in GOD
I agree with your definition Swamiji and I feel an atheist is someone who needs validation and logic to transform from a non-believer to believer
SS: People get attached to their ideas and create divisions like believer and non-believer. Happens in everything. supporters and opposition.
Especially about God because it is intangible and beyond all concepts.
MN: True🙏
JV: Even when we talk about atheist, they have anti notion of the word GOD. Instead they will use natural power or higher power. GOD word has been misused a lot to create divisions. And therefore sometimes we want to refrain using it. In the process we negate everything that possibly could have explained or made me aware of this higher power.
SS: True
VS: I have a doubt from where Sunita left yesterday. What must my attitude be and what must I practice in order to see God in everyone...
Treat others with respect?
JV: Vinod. Its very simple. What reason do you have not respect others? And strangely answer is none :) hai na.
GP: Swamiji, just to add to yesterday's discussion. I think that unless one goes through the path of Pooja, japa and contemplation, one cannot serve the world with an attitude of serving the lord.
And without going through these self-preparatory exercises, we will not have the right attitude of devotion and service.
Till then, whatever 'social service' we do will not be true service of the lord (much as we would like to believe so) but we would be serving our own ego!
And when we say that such social service is enough and all the other steps (Pooja, japa, study) are not required or are a waste, then we're just finding excuses or demonstrating our ignorance.
VS: Thanks Jigs and I agree Bhaiya
GP: But it is important to also realise that we would have truly 'ripened and evolved' through our sadhana only when we reach this state. Of being able to see the world as a reflection of the lord and serving the world with the same bhaav and devotion that we do our Pooja and japa.
VS: Somehow GP Bhaiya also indirectly answered my Question. God is so Great. The solution is nityanushtaana, Japa, Pooja
SS: Well said GPji
VS: In order to treat others with respect n spread happiness... I need to be happy first... And my Sadhana like Japa, Pooja will make my happy n peaceful within. Thanks a lot Bhaiya, jigs, Swamiji and everyone. You solved one of my issues when my mind was not available.
When challenges go beyond control the prasada buddhi goes for a toss.
Su: Gurudev's thought for the day:
At this moment we all, as members of society, are fully engaged in the standard way of doing things, the standard methods everywhere adopted by others according to the fashion of the times - this is termed here as loka-anu-vartanam. Since we live as we are living, we are what we are. If you want to lift your life into a greater ambit, you have to change your ways of living. If you want to gain hold on the spiritual path...... Change.
Without changing the old values of life and ways of life, a new dimension of life and living cannot be achieved.
You have to give up imitating the false values of others around you, meaning, stop living blindly a stamped blue-print of life, supplied by the fashions of the times or by sensuous men who seek their fulfillment in sense-indulgences. Just living the routine life of unintelligent imitation of others in society is the surest way to a life of sensuality.
For spiritual purpose, a most intelligently re-planned way of life is to be followed. If you want to take up sincere sadhana, you have to redirect your life's flow.
Hence the first thing to be renounced is the 'blind following of the patterns of the time'- loka-anu-vartanam
VK: Hi is there any where I can catch up on all the discussions since start my what's app had crashed and hence was unable to participate
MN: Hari Om Vivek bhaiyya! You can catch all the earlier discussion here
For those who have just joined, you can visit the following blog to catch up e-satsang.blogspot.com
vedercise.blogspot.com
SR: Swamiji, what about an atheist who does not believe in Lord, thus will not view the world as HIS manifestation, yet want to do selfless actions, wants to inculcate a perfect attitude...is worshipping Lord only option to bring in such an attitude. - Sanjit
MN: I think even an atheist can do selfless service by dedicating all his actions to something higher- for example Nation or organisation
Our jawans who man our borders are the best examples of selflessness- putting nation above all Else🙏
SS: What is the goal of life as per atheist's thinking? That will determine what means should the atheist follow. Nothing prevents the atheist from serving selflessly. The verse is meant for those who want to dissolve the ego and realise oneness with the Divine which is infinite. Except the Infinite Lord whomever or whatever i serve, there will be limitations and duality.
An atheist is actually not a non-believer of God or Truth but a non-believer of prevalent concepts and depictions of God which dont appeal to his/her mind.
AM: Hari om,
Please register for Mumbais first CHYK and Sethukaari camp with Swamiji.
Everyone in this group is invited.
You can get your kids tok as we have a special sessions for them as well. 😊
MN: Why is then that the conventional definition of atheist defines it simply as non-believer in GOD
I agree with your definition Swamiji and I feel an atheist is someone who needs validation and logic to transform from a non-believer to believer
SS: People get attached to their ideas and create divisions like believer and non-believer. Happens in everything. supporters and opposition.
Especially about God because it is intangible and beyond all concepts.
MN: True🙏
JV: Even when we talk about atheist, they have anti notion of the word GOD. Instead they will use natural power or higher power. GOD word has been misused a lot to create divisions. And therefore sometimes we want to refrain using it. In the process we negate everything that possibly could have explained or made me aware of this higher power.
SS: True
VS: I have a doubt from where Sunita left yesterday. What must my attitude be and what must I practice in order to see God in everyone...
Treat others with respect?
JV: Vinod. Its very simple. What reason do you have not respect others? And strangely answer is none :) hai na.
GP: Swamiji, just to add to yesterday's discussion. I think that unless one goes through the path of Pooja, japa and contemplation, one cannot serve the world with an attitude of serving the lord.
And without going through these self-preparatory exercises, we will not have the right attitude of devotion and service.
Till then, whatever 'social service' we do will not be true service of the lord (much as we would like to believe so) but we would be serving our own ego!
And when we say that such social service is enough and all the other steps (Pooja, japa, study) are not required or are a waste, then we're just finding excuses or demonstrating our ignorance.
VS: Thanks Jigs and I agree Bhaiya
GP: But it is important to also realise that we would have truly 'ripened and evolved' through our sadhana only when we reach this state. Of being able to see the world as a reflection of the lord and serving the world with the same bhaav and devotion that we do our Pooja and japa.
VS: Somehow GP Bhaiya also indirectly answered my Question. God is so Great. The solution is nityanushtaana, Japa, Pooja
SS: Well said GPji
VS: In order to treat others with respect n spread happiness... I need to be happy first... And my Sadhana like Japa, Pooja will make my happy n peaceful within. Thanks a lot Bhaiya, jigs, Swamiji and everyone. You solved one of my issues when my mind was not available.
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